107 W. locust St. Suite 303

Boonville, In 47601

September 14, 2005

3:00 P.M.



The Warrick County Drainage Board met in regular session with President Carl Jay Conner presiding, also in attendance was Phillip H. Baxter, Vice-President; Don Williams, Secretary; Jim Niemeyer, Surveyor and David K. Zengler, Attorney for the Board. Also present was Sean Owen, Deputy Surveyor.


Attendance in the audience was Sherri Rector, Michael Fisher, Jeff D. Gill and John Bennett.


Minutes recorded by Cheryl D. Embry.


President Carl Conner called the Warrick County Drainage Board Session of September 14, 2004 to order.




Carl Conner: The first item on the agenda is August 24, 2005 minutes, excuse me, Itís September 14, 2005, instead of September 14, 2004. Secretary asked if she put 2004, then apologized.


Don Williams asked for the sound to be turned down a little as there was some feedback on the microphones.


Don Williams: Mr. President, while theyíre adjusting the sound, I would make a motion that we approve the minutes of August 24, 2005.


Carl Conner: Have a motion on the floor to approve the minutes as presented for August 24, 2005, do I have a second?


Phil Baxter: Second


Carl Conner: Have a second, all in favor state by saying aye.


Don Williams: Aye


Phil Baxter: Aye


Carl Conner: Aye, passes three to zero. Jim Iím just going to turn it over to you, it looks like that you have a number of projects that you would like to discuss on the agenda.




Jim Niemeyer: The first one concerns the Gardner-Webb Ditch. We are requesting approval to purchase a 54-inch pipe that would be installed along the east side of Coal Mine Road, this would attach to the new box culvert that is being installed to under the highway there and the purpose for putting the pipe in was to prevent erosion of the west side of Gourley Place which is eroding very badly. The other request is to..if we can purchase the pipe, we need to store it out the highway garage and thirdly we would like to have the County Highway Department install when they are finished with the box culvert. The reason for buying it, that quote is good until September 16th and we are fearful of a large price increase because it is all plastic pipe and a petroleum derivative and we expect a large increase in price.


Carl Conner: Now, am I reading this correctly, Jim, that the estimated cost for that pipe and total is $21,910.20?


Jim Niemeyer: Yes


Carl Conner: Is there any questions or comments from the Board? Hearing none I would look for a motion to approve the request to purchase the 54-inch pipe in the amount of $21,910.20.


Don Williams: So moved


Carl Conner: Have a motion on the floor to purchase, do I have a second?


Phil Baxter: Second


Carl Conner: Have a second, all in favor state by saying aye.


Phil Baxter: Aye


Don Williams: Aye


Carl Conner: Aye, passes three to zero. Jim, whatís the time table for the installation?


Jim Niemeyer: It will be sometime in October.


Carl Conner: October, okay. Next item.







Jim Niemeyer: The next item is the purchase of a new server and Sean is giving you an attachment there that describes it. The server that we now have in our department crashed and weíve had Eric to check it all out and heís been through different times and heís concluded that we need a new one. So, what weíre asking for is that unit that you see there, the total price including the server and what is that other piece?


Sean Owen: What it is, is weíre going to have the server, this is twenty additional licenses to let other computers use it.


Jim Niemeyer: Okay, yeah, for additional licenses, anyway it comes to $13,080.00.


Carl Conner: $13,080.00 and that includes the licenses?


Don Williams: The additional licenses are for the desk tops in your office, I take it?


Jim Niemeyer: Well, there would be twenty of them if in caseÖand it sounds like other departments are going to eventually attach to us.


Sean Owen: ††What it is, it is going to be the server for all of the photography for Think Map.


Carl Conner: For Area Plan also?


Sean Owen: Yes.


Carl Conner: Any questions from the Board?


Phil Baxter: I have none.


Don Williams: None


Carl Conner: Hearing none, I would look for a motion to approve the Surveyorís request in the amount of $13, 080.00 for a new system?


Don Williams: So moved.


Carl Conner: Have a motion on the floor, do I have a second?


Phil Baxter: Second.


Carl Conner:Have a second, all in favor state by saying aye.


Phil Baxter: Aye


Don Williams: Aye


Carl Conner: Aye, passes three to zero. Thatís just the server thatísÖÖ


Jim Niemeyer: Right


Carl Conner: Okay, go ahead, Jim.




Jim Niemeyer: The third item is, just wanted to bring it to your attention, the Little Pigeon Creek logjam has beenÖ..removal project was completed. We proceeded back in there more than a mile and we cleaned out all the jams that were there and took down trees that were leaning over the ditch, because they were going to fall anyway and our contractor had a scissors that he could attach to the boom of his excavator and he just cut them off and laid them off to the side. He also went to the North side of the bridge there and took out another jam and in so doing, he just went further North and found two large jams, which we probably ought to consider removing before it is all over.


Don Williams: We probably ought to do it before the rainy season gets here.


Jim Niemeyer: Yes, so I would like to use him, if itís all right with everybody and get a price and submit it to you. Itís something that should be done.


Carl Conner: Do you have any idea what the estimated cost is going to be?


Jim Niemeyer: I would say less than $1,500.00>


Carl Conner: Less than $1,500.00. Okay.


Phil Baxter: I have no problem with that.


Jim Niemeyer: And it might not be that much.


Carl Conner:And who is the contractor?


Jim Niemeyer: Henry Bigge, B-I-G-G-E.


Carl Conner: Do I have a motion on the floor?


Phil Baxter: Iíd move that we approve Jimís request to get a quote from Mr. Bigge on these logjams.


Carl Conner: Do I have a second?


Don Williams: Second.

Carl Conner: Have a second, all in favor state by saying aye?


Don Williams: Aye


Phil Baxter: Aye


Carl Conner: Aye, passes three to zero. Okay, Edwards Ditch.




Jim Niemeyer: Edwards Ditch is a large ditch in the County, but weíre concerned here with the stretch that goes from Frame Road East toward Bell Road and itís a stretch about Ĺ mile long. Weíre concerned with the Southside of the ditch, which is growing up rather quickly and the landowners are complaining too that people canít see their places of business. We checked it out and it is suggested that we go ahead and grind it down and straighten it up and where needed remove the silt build up which occurs in a few small spots.


Carl Conner: You said it runs from Frame Road?


Jim Niemeyer: Yes, well, itís on both sides of the road, but the state did the North half when they wereÖ..


Carl Conner: did the highway.


Jim Niemeyer: yeah, did the highway and never touched the Southside.


Carl Conner: Okay, so is it really our responsibility or is it the Stateís responsibility?


Jim Niemeyer: I checked with the State and they said it was ours.


Sean Owen: Since it is a regulated drain.


Jim Niemeyer: It is a regulated drain.


Carl Conner: Okay.


Don Williams: You just giving us FYI on that?


Jim Niemeyer: Right. So, we had our bid meeting and the bids will be due here shortly.


Sean Owen: Right before the next Drainage Board Meeting.


Carl Conner: Youíll have them at the next regular meeting?


Jim Niemeyer: Yes.




Jim Niemeyer: The next item concerns a complaint that we received from the attorney representing Ivy Glen Subdivision and hopefully you all have a copy of that. We had two of them, they sent us one and then yesterday we received one from Certified Mail.


Don Williams: I donít know what your looking for Jim, but I have a copy and I have seen it, thatís about all the comments I have on it.


Jim Niemeyer: What we did, is the day after that rain, we were out in that region and there was quite a bit of water that fell, I think it was over 5-inches or right at 5-inches, which would have been the equivalent of a 100-year flood. It caused some flooding, local flooding and also we were in Ivy Glen Subdivision and the water didnít enter any homes but it was pretty high, but in time it all subsided. But the cause of it, we feel was not only the heavy rain, but it was the Howard-Williams Ditch, which is located West of Ivy Glen and this also affects Colonial Hills Subdivision. We went out into the field and made a rather brief check of the Howard-Williams Ditch and started, well, inspected the whole thing, but, right now that workÖÖwe would like to go in there and clean that ditch from the County line Eastward toward Weinsheimer Ditch as it approaches Chandler and that is an approximate length of what? 15,000 feet?


Sean Owen: Yes, something like that.


Jim Niemeyer: Thereís more yet, but at least if we could get started on that, there is another stretch that needs to be cleaned out too. So, I donít know the exact length of that, but that should help considerably. That is an area that is topographic low, drainage is difficult to achieve in there no matter what you do, so all the ditches need finely tuned and cleaned and as I understand it, it hasnít been cleaned in quite sometime. I just wanted to bring your attention to that.


Sean Owen: Weíre probably going to want some type of letter from our attorney, like a reply to both of these letters.


Jim Niemeyer: I think ourÖÖtheCounty Attorney called me this morning and I relayed everything I said here, so I think that heíll, as I understand will take care of the reply to their attorney.


Carl Conner: I guess my question is, should that not be handled by the Drainage Board Attorney.


Jim Niemeyer: I already gave a copy to David.


Carl Conner: So, Dave, are you following up on it or is our County Attorney following up?


David Zengler: I have not talked with him specifically about this, Mr. Chairman, I mean, I can.


Carl Conner: Well, isnít it a Drainage Board issue?


David Zengler: I would think so.


Carl Conner: Itís just my personal opinion, you being the attorney for the Drainage Board, you should be handling it.


Don Williams: Itís only a Drainage Board issue if there is a causation from the regulated drain. I mean, here we had 5-inches of rain, for crying out loud, people expect the ground not to get wet.


Carl Conner: Well, thatís true, I understand that, but weíre looking at a letter that basically, Iíve just read through that implies that there is the possibility, as a result of that, of us having some potential litigation. Correct?


David Zengler: I think thereís always potential litigation and Iím always likeÖ.and I will write if you so direct, Iím not necessarily for sure a response needs to be made, but Iím happy to do that.


Carl Conner: Well, that would be my suggestion. I donít know how the other two Board members feel, but I feel like that probably you need to respond.


Phil Baxter: I would agree and do you have plans of getting quotes for this work orÖ..


Jim Niemeyer: Well, weíre working up the specifications for it and once that is done we can have a bid meeting and go out and get a price on it.


Carl Conner: All right, anything else relative to that issue?


Jim Niemeyer: I also included, you know, like we wouldnít get all of this done, but like probably next year, we would look at the Weinsheimer Ditch area and then all the way out to Little Pigeon Creek area, it all ties in together.


Carl Conner: Any other questions or comments from the Board?I think thereís a consensus, Dave, that you need to follow up.


Don Williams: you have 2-1 consensus.


Carl Conner: Do you want to make a motion to have a vote?


Don Williams: I donít want to make a motion on it, if they sue us then we can respond, butÖ..


Carl Conner: Okay. Go ahead, Jim.




Jim Niemeyer: The next item is, we received from IDEM a notice of sufficiency on our MS-4 Program and basically I guess what we should do isÖ..Iíve contacted our engineering company, Commonwealth and they will be contacting us for a meeting date to begin with the proceedings and we need to have this meeting to establish the utility ordinance or as he said a Department of Storm Water Management.


Don Williams: First of all, I would like to interject here, Jim, if I can interrupt you for just a second. The Board of Commissioners have directed their attorney several months ago to draft a ordinance for a establishment of a Department of Storm Water Management. We need to find out where that is, MS-4 is a Commissioners issue not a Drainage BoardÖÖIt is a Surveyor or Commissioner issue not a Drainage Board issue, per say, even though we will have a lot to do with it, Iím sure.


Jim Niemeyer: So, we could go to Mark Welp and find out just where we stand on that?


Don Williams: We need to check with him on that, we did that, what? 3 or 4 months ago?


Carl Conner: Several months ago.


Don Williams: Actually, we did it before Welp was our attorney, we did it back about 3-4 months before Martin & Martin left us, so that may have been something that just dropped through the cracks, we need to check on that.


Phil Baxter: It could have been a year ago, then.


Carl Conner: Yeah, thereís been so many things that we have had to deal with, thatís pretty hard to be consistent and stay on top of everything, but weíll follow up on that, Jim and get back with you. Heíll be here at 4:00 today, hopefully. Any other questions or comments from the Board? Okay Jim.




Jim Niemeyer: The last item is Drainage Ordinance and Iíve provided everybody, hopefully everybody has a copy of it. What we need to do is set aside some time for Mr. Nordars from Bernardin will sit down with us and go through it with us to review it and get us familiar with it.


Carl Conner: Do you know about how long itís going to take to do that, Jim?


Sean Owen: Pretty lengthy amount of time.


Jim Niemeyer: It will probably take about a couple of hours.

Carl Conner: Two hours, okay, Iíll tell you what Iíll do is, Iíll get with Phil and Don and have them look at their schedules and get back with youand give you some dates and times and you can run that by Bernardin and Lochmueller, if thatís all right.


Jim Niemeyer: That will be fine.


Don Williams: Weíll need some time to look it over before we schedule it.


Jim Niemeyer: Well, thereís quite a bit in it.


Carl Conner: But, thatís why I said we would look at the schedules and Iíll get back with him. Is that all you have, Jim?


Jim Niemeyer: Yes, sir.


Carl Conner: The next item on the agenda is claims. We have claims in the amount of $24,018.35.


Don Williams: I move that we approve.


Carl Conner: We have a motion on the floor to approve the claims in the amount of $24,018.35, do we have a second?


Phil Baxter: Second


Carl Conner: We have a second, all in favor state by saying aye.


Don Williams: Aye


Phil Baxter: Aye


Carl Conner: Aye, passes three to zero. Any other business, Jim?




Jim Niemeyer: Yes, Iíve got two more items, one of them is that Sherri would like to speak.


Sherri Rector: Lexington Subdivision was supposed to be on this agenda today cause it was advertised for Public Hearing to come before you. Mr. Miller was thinking it was 4:00 p.m., he apologizes that he is not here. We did not get the letter from DNR back, so he was going to ask and us also that it be continued until the 2nd Wednesday in October.


Carl Conner: Second Wednesday in October? Thatís when he wants it, Okay.


Sherri Rector: I just wanted it to be in the minutes, so that itís not lost when people refer back to it.


Don Williams: Well, since itís not on the agenda, it does not have to be continued, it just has to be put on the agenda.


Sherri Rector: Well, it was scheduled for Public Hearing, it should have been on the agenda, it was just overlooked.


Carl Conner: Do you think that we will have all of that information back by then? I mean, weíre looking for a report from DNR, correct?


Sherri Rector: I hope so. Yes


Carl Conner:And are you not looking for a report from the Engineer yet in regards to this issue?


Jim Niemeyer: Well, I brought it to Steveís attention.


Carl Conner: Have you talked to him?


Jim Niemeyer: Not for a few days.


Carl Conner: But, he is going to take care of that?


Jim Niemeyer: I assume so.


Carl Conner: Well, weíve got until the second Wednesday in October, so weíve got some time. Okay, thank you, Sherri. Anything else, Jim?


Jim Niemeyer: Yes, some folks would like to speak.


Don Williams: Sherri, donít go if you would, stay till weíre done here. Sorry, Mr. President.


Carl Conner: Are you all together here on one issue or separate issues? Please come forward and state your name for the record and address your issue, please.




Mike Fisher:My name is Mike Fisher and I live in Colonial Hills Subdivision in Newburgh and I am just here to ask the help of the Drainage Board to help solve a serious problem that we have developing in our area concerning drainage. This is of course being brought to a head by that big rain that Jim talked about awhile ago. That five inch rain which is considerable and not that usual, but, I have seen about 4 or 5 of those in the time that I have lived there, that were of this type and this particular rain in our area. Our subdivision was the first built in that area off of Epworth Road and the ditch that was put in for that was designed forÖ.to carry the water from that subdivision and in time since thenmore developments have been built in that area, Kenosha Hillsacross Epworth Road, now Fall Creek. Weíre talking about increasing Epworth Road to four lanes and then there is other areas, the South side and the North side of Kenosha that Iím sure is going to be developed in about 5-10 years, probably more like 5. All this water is funneled into Colonial Hills Subdivision, which was just not designed to carry the water from all this other pavement, roofs and the water isÖ..the problem is getting worse as time goes on as more developments are built in that area. With this particular rain we had one home in our subdivision that ended up with about a foot to a foot and a half of water in their downstairs, which, is thousands of dollars worth of damage. We had another house people came home two days later with six inches of water in their downstairs, theyíd only lived there for 2 months. My neighbor had to pull all of his carpet out which had only been down for about 2 years, so he is looking at a pretty sizable expense as well. My downstairs got a little bit wet, but nothing compared to what the other folks got. Primarily, the problem is that there is a ditch that goes through Colonial Hills, I donít believe was ever accepted, it was never accepted by the County and I donít know why. But, weíre at a time where we need to get past that, because of all this other development, all of that water just channels right through there and weíre going to end up with Colonial Hills Subdivision as the retention pond for the whole area if something isnít done to improve that.


Carl Conner: Iíve been out there on a number of occasions in the last 4 Ĺ years looking at that problem from time to time and the primary reason that the County has not become involved in that is simply due to the fact that it is not classified as a legal drain. But, there is things that we need to do, especially with all the building and the development and with the Sterchi development, itís just kind of wrapping itself around Colonial Hills and some of those other subdivisions. There is one other comment I would like to make, I think you made this statement about Epworth Road being 4-lane.


Mike Fisher: Thatís what I read in the paper.


Carl Conner: Well, but you understand that where you live there are no plans to widen that portion of Epworth Road.


Mike Fisher: Okay, I wasnít aware of that, thatís good news.


Carl Conner: Yeah, thatís what everybody that lives down there tells me, hey, we donít want this street widened.


Mike Fisher:I agree, but the uhÖ.Iím glad that you agree with me that something needs to be done.


Carl Conner: We need to do something down there.


Mike Fisher: This has been going on for a long time and itsÖ you know, like I said, why this was considered an illegal ditch, I have no idea and I have no idea why the developer was not made to make whatever changes were necessary to upgrade it to that status. Iím not even sure what to tell you to do with it, whether it should go deeper or whether the sides should go higher or whether the water just needs from the other subdivisions needs to be channeled a different direction, but something definitely needs to be done or weíre going to have a lot of problems out there in the future.


Don Williams: We do have procedures to make that a legal drain, providing thereís space or even an urban drain and Iím trying to recall, Iíve been down there, but I donít remember how much space is on either side of that ditch.


Carl Conner: Thatís one of the problems, on one side of that ditch thereís a certain length of it running South and you have absolutely no space whatsoever, running down towards 662.


Mike Fisher: The part thatís in ours, it enters, I think at one time thereís a house at Bunker Hill and Epworth Road and the ditch is on the North side of it, but it looks like that was added, I donít know for a fact, but I just think from looking at it, it looks to me like it was added when maybe Kenosha Hills was put in and then a culvert was installed underneath the road to direct that water into that ditch and thereís a wall on one side made of railroad ties, which those railroad ties are in a pretty bad shape and are probably going to cave in at some point. Then it goes behind that house and it turns and goes SouthÖ..


Carl Conner: Up the street there parallel.


Mike Fisher:And then it goes around behind Monticello Drive and follows actually Monticello Drive all the way out to the West side of the subdivision and I believe itís accepted, thereís a bridge at Williamsburg and I believe this ditch is accepted by the County from that point West.


Jim Niemeyer: Excuse me, that swale that divides your area back there does tie into that Howard-Williams Drain.


Don Williams: Mr. President, if I may, I would suggest that we have the surveyor go out there with his 4-wheeler, ATV andÖ..


Jim Niemeyer: Weíve been there.


Don Williams: Well, we need a summation or report on what you think could be done, because if thereís room to make even an urban drain or a legal drain thatís probably what we need to do. It canít be a legal drain though, because legal drain requires 75-feet of easement on each side of the ditch, Iím sure for several people that would probably be in their house.


Carl Conner: Thatís a good point that Don brings up and you talk about fences, we will definitely need the cooperation of the neighbors in that area to be able to get anything done because weíre going to have to have access. Jim. Youíve already been out there and have taken a look and everything, havenít you? Did you come up with any kind of plan or proposals?


Jim Niemeyer: Well, just roughly, if I were going in there, I think we need to run a good solid grade line all the way through there and like you say take the measurements from the center line out and then with the idea, maybe redefining that slope depending on what we find. But, also with the cleaning of that Howard-Williams Ditch is going to help, itís going to help some.


Carl Conner: Don, you want to make some kind of motion in regards to giving Jim some direction.


Don Williams: My motion was simply go out and have him investigate, make some measurements, you know on how much room we got on either side of that ditch so see if thereís room. I think if we have at least 35-feet on one side we could probably get in there and do something with it.


Jim Niemeyer: In some places we may have to do it by hand, but for the most part in looking at it from the road it looks like we could get in there, but there are utilities that will have to be mapped out.


Carl Conner: So we have a motion on the floor for the County Surveyor to go out and do the detail work and come back with some solutions that we can possibly take a look at relative to correcting the drainage problem in that area, do I have a second?


Phil Baxter: Second.


Carl Conner: Have a second, all in favor state by saying aye.


Phil Baxter: Aye


Don Williams: Aye


Carl Conner: Aye, passes three to zero. Jim, do you think in 30 days you can have something for us?


Jim Niemeyer: Yes or less.


Carl Conner: If you would like to attend the meeting weíll let you know when itís going to be discussed.


Mike Fisher: Okay, Iíll contact Jim and work that out and also when you come out if you would like for me to walk it with you or whatever, Iíd be happy to do that. Maybe we can get some of the other folks that live there involved as well.


Jim Niemeyer: The more input we have the more cooperation we will have.


Carl Conner: Mr. Fisher, what did you say your address was? And telephone number?


Mike Fisher:10599 Monticello Drive. 853-3260. Thank you very much.


Carl Conner: Sir, did you have anything to add?


John Bennett: My name is John Bennett and thanks for seeing us. I live at 10633 Monticello. Iíve been there about 17 years and like Mike said, weíve had 4 or 5 occasions where the water is pretty scary. In back of my house the ditch is maybe a foot or two foot deep at the most, but itís a real rolling ditch, itís got grass in it and we cut it every day, itís just like part of the back yard until it rains and when it rains all of a sudden you get a creek and then a raging river almost. Iíve seen my yard completely underwater from the backdoor all the way to the ditch and into the neighbors on the other side. Luckily, Iím one of the lucky ones that it didnít get into the house, but Iíve sat up many a night with towels by my sliding glass door, just in case the water gets that high to keep the water out. So, it is kind of scary and itís been that way for a long time. The street seems to drain really well but, that ditch sure doesnít and I donít know, I didnít realize that there was a ditch problem when I bought the house, no one told me, of course. I didnít look into it like I should have, but I have been one of the lucky ones. Mike, unfortunately, his carpet got soaked and my next door neighbor right between Mike and I, Mike Cecil, it seems like every other year he has to pull his carpet out. We were discussing it the other day and I think heís just going to take his carpet out and put tile in, heís just not going to mess with it anymore as it is such a problem. Thatís really all Iíve got to say, but thanks for seeing us.


Carl Conner: Thank you very much. Sir, did you have something?




Jeff Gill:My name is Jeff Gill and I was here actually for the Lexington Subdivision. I really donít know whatís all going on, I was going to listen and see what Bruce had to say and stuff like that. I live on the corner and the ditch or all the water that drains, I believe from his property drains underneath Ferstel Road behind our house, a lot of it was wetlands and they have taken trees out. The Corps of Engineers has been in there, I donít know what changes have been done. I know they were going to put a drainage pond right by our road to stop the water from coming to much on to us, I guess. But, the Corps of Engineers said no, so I really donít know what to do, I mean, theyíve taken every tree and everything out and covered up the ditch, I donít know where the water is going to go, is our ditch going to get water? Is our ditch going to get too much water?


Carl Conner: Well, thereís really been no decision by this Board in regards to approving any proposals that has been put forth by Bruce Miller and right now weíre waiting on a report from DNR, so weíre waiting on a report from our Engineer, relative to what they perceive need to be done there. What I would suggest is that you let us know if you want to be at the meeting when the issue comes up and weíll be more than happy to notify you.


Jeff Gill: Are your meetings always at 3:00 though?


Carl Conner: Yes, we always meet at 3:00 p.m. on the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th Wednesday of every month.


Jeff Gill: Iíll try and I would like to be notified.


Carl Conner: Sherri can notify you or Jim can notify you to let you know when itís going to be on the agenda.


Sherri Rector: It will be the second week of October, whatever date that is, the 12th, I think.


Jeff Gill: Now if I canít be here, how can I find out about this, what goes on?


Jim Niemeyer: Weíll have the minutes of the meeting will be prepared.


Carl Conner: Do you have anybody else that has an interest that could be here?


Jeff Gill: No, Iím the only one around, thatís the big problem of it all.


Sherri Rector: Have you been to Mr. Niemeyers Office and looked at the proposed drainage plans that have been filed?


Jeff Gill: No


Sherri Rector: I would start there first and they could show you what he is proposing.


Jeff Gill:How and where do I do that?


Jim Niemeyer: Weíre downstairs in the Surveyorís Office.


Jeff Gill: What times are they open?


Carl Conner: You could probably go down there as soon as this meeting is over with and Jim would be more than happy to show you the plans. But, thereís not been any action taken by this Board in regards to his plans.


Jeff Gill: What about when the river backs up where is all this water going to go? I mean, you got water draining out what about when the water drains back?


Carl Conner: Where is it draining now?


Jeff Gill: When it comes back, right where he is now and what heís doing now is building up flood plain so he can build on it. Now, where is that water going to go, I know itís going to get higher on me, cause it canít go anywhere on him.


Carl Conner: And thatís one of the issues that we have to deal withÖÖ..


Jeff Gill: Well, it floods pretty good right now.


Carl Conner: And thatís the reason why his drainage plans havenít been approved and why heís not building any homes over there. So, thank you.


Jeff Gill: I do have pictures if your interested in what the river does back up over our roads and stuff like that.


Carl Conner: Oh, I know Iíve been out there, I know what itís like, thanks. Jim, do you have anything else? Dave, do you have anything? Phil? Don?


They all responded that they did not have anything else to come before the Board.


Carl Conner: Hearing no new business, I would call for adjournment, do I have a motion to adjourn?


Phil Baxter: I make a motion to adjourn.


Don Williams: Second.


Carl Conner: Have a motion on the floor with a second, all those in favor state by saying aye.


All ayes


Carl Conner: Ayes passes three to zero.