MINUTES

WARRICK COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD

COMMISSIONERS MEETING ROOM

107 W. Locust St. Suite 303

Boonville, In 47601

897-6170

September 28, 2005

3:00 P.M.

 

 

The Warrick County Drainage Board met in regular session with President Carl Jay Conner presiding, also in attendance was Don Williams, Secretary; Jim Niemeyer, Surveyor; and David K. Zengler, Attorney for the Board. Also present was Sean Owen, Deputy Surveyor. Phillip H. Baxter was absent.

 

Attendance in the audience was Jim Farny from BLA.

 

Minutes recorded by Cheryl D. Embry.

 

President Carl Conner called the Warrick County Drainage Board session of September 28, 2005 to order.

 

APPROVAL OF MINUTES:

 

Carl Conner: The first order of business is the minutes of September 14, 2005, is there any corrections or deletions?

 

Don Williams: I had a minor correction which Cheryl has already been made aware of, if you look on the front page, where my name is the second time where it says: Mr. President, while their adjusting the sound, that should be a theyíreinstead of their, but it sounds the same on tape. So, sheís still doing a great job.

 

Carl Conner: Okay, So would you like to make a motion then?

 

Don Williams: Yes sir, I would make a motion that we approve the minutes of September 14, 2005.

 

Carl Conner: Iíll second that, all in favor state by saying aye.

 

Don Williams: Aye

 

Carl Conner: Aye, passes two to zero.

 

EDWARDS DITCH-BID OPENING:

 

Carl Conner: The next item is the opening of sealed bids for Edwards Ditch.

Jim Niemeyer: Mr. Zengler has them.

 

Carl Conner: Dave, do you want to give us a shot at those. Don, usually carries a pocket knife around for that purpose.

 

David Zengler: Okay, a bid from Naas & Sonís Inc. of Haubstadt for Edwards Ditch and itís $7,970.00. From Bigge Excavating $3,900.00 for total cost of project. I wonít read all of this, there is quite a bit of stuff there. From Jerry Aigner Construction, Inc., $6,980.00.

 

Carl Conner: We only had the three?

 

David Zengler: Yes.

 

Carl Conner: Any questions or comments from the Board?

 

Don Williams: Yes, I have just a couple for Jim, did you have a pre-bid meeting and all three were there? They all received the same specs.

 

Jim Niemeyer: Yes we did and yes they did.

 

Don Williams: Thatís all I have.

 

Carl Conner: I have no questions.

 

Don Williams: Mr. President, I would like to make the motion that we grant the bid for Edwards Ditch, grinding and silt removal to Bigge Excavating for the sum of $3,900.00.

 

Carl Conner: I have a motion on the floor to approve Bigge in the amount of $3,900.00 for the Edwards Ditch, second, all in favor, state by saying aye.

 

Don Williams: Aye

 

Carl Conner: Aye, passes two to zero.

 

CROSSROADS CHRISTIAN CHURCH:

 

Carl Conner: Crossroads Christian Church drainage plan.

 

Jim Farny:Afternoon, My name is Jim Farny, Iím from BLA and Iím here to present drainage plans for Crossroads Christian Church which is located at Epworth and Outer Lincoln at the Northwest corner of that intersection. Basically, the church was built several years ago, now theyíre proposing an addition to the church, which we built on the east end of the church, which is approximately 26,000 square feet. When they built the original project they built a retention facility which is located at the Northwest corner of the property and the entire property is 39 acres. This building addition will be drained to the existing storm sewers that are on the site and into the existing basin. So, what we did in this drainage report is just verify that the additional improvements would not overload the basin. We looked at it in two ways, first thing we did is we looked atthe immediate construction area which we deemed to be 1.61 acres in size located right against the existing building and we analyzed how much we thought the water would rise in the basin due to that addition and the basin being fairly large in size having a large surface area the incremental rise that we anticipate for the 25 year storm is only 1-inch from itsÖ..

 

Don Williams: We donít design for 25-year storm.

 

Jim Farny: For the 100-year storm it would beÖwe looked at bothÖwe looked at25-50-&100 year storm. For the 25-year storm it was basically an inch as I said for the 50-year storm it was about an inch and a half and for the 100-year storm it was about 2-inches. The other thing we did is we, not having done the original drainage analysis on the site, we looked at the site as though there was nothing on the site as an existing condition and then we looked at all the improvements, the previous improvements plus the proposed addition as the improvements to check the basin capacity in regards to that and we did that, what we came up with is a 100-year storage requirement of 1.84 acre feet and if you put that 100-year storm in that basin, basically that raises the elevation of the water to a point thatís still 2-foot below the berm on the lake. So, thereís still 2-foot of freeboard in the basin.

 

Don Williams: There werenít any problems, then, you know that last heavy rain we had as far as you know?

 

Jim Farny: Not that Iím aware of.

 

Don Williams: Cause that was between a 50 & 100.

 

Jim Farny: So, in summary, we feel that the addition is not going to have any detrimental impact on the basin and the basin should be able to perform as it was originally designed and in fact they should be able to program probably another addition in future and still have adequate capacity.

 

Carl Conner: The basin that your speaking of, is that the one thatís to the west of the church along164?

 

Jim Farny: Yes

 

Carl Conner: I guess my only question would be and I think youíve probably already answered it, is what impact if any itís going to have on what the present situation is out there and the reason I ask that is because I most recently received a telephone call from Crossroads in regards to wanting to know what we were going to do with the ditch, because of the water, the amount of water that was coming out of that basin and at one time and I donít know if this is a drainage problem or if itís a design problem of the building. But, Iím sure youíre well aware of that they have actually had water in the sanctuary.

 

Jim Farny: Yeah, again, we didnít do the original work on the site, but the basinÖ..itís kind of strange the way that was designed because the building almost sits in abowl. They built a dam or a levee around the auditorium portion of the building, which is the west end of the building and itís like a bowl that catches water. So, there are lift stations that we noticed out there that pump evidently storm water out of that basin and we had received from the architect the original design drawings and those lift stations werenít even on there so they must have been an after thought. So, it became kind of apparent to me that they have had, even though we werenít directly told, it looks like they have had a previous or past problem or concern about that, cause theyíve introduced those lift stations to evidently take care of the problem.

 

Carl Conner: Well, I can vouch for the problems, cause I mean, Iíve actually been there with my shoes and everything in the water trying to clean it up in the sanctuary and I know that Gary, who is in charge of that facility out there just called me again a couple of weeks ago, or the last heavy rain we had and expressed concern about drainage.

 

Jim Farny: Yeah, all that area of the Howard-Williams Ditch presents a problem during a very heavy rain. Thereís some sort of backwater condition or something that becomes apparent when we get a 4-5 inch rain. It basically backs water up that whole basin. So, even though this project and other projects, you can design them for 100-year but without having a very sophisticated model of the entire drainage system, your not really assuming backwater conditions so to speak, but there is one out there. So, anything in that whole quarter through there is subject to backwater conditions, so I can vouch that, you know, and I think weíve all seen it, when we get one of these freak rains 3-4-to 5 inches that not just the church, but that whole area in there kind of backs up. I think you had looked at it before, doing some work to that ditch and I think there was a study done, but I donít know really the outcome of that study or what theÖÖ.

 

Carl Conner: I think that within the last, I would say within the last 2 or 3 years, I believe that ditch has been actually cleaned out, hasnít it, Sherri, Youíd probably know.

 

Cheryl:I donít know that itís been cleaned out entirely. I know there was a study done on it.

 

Jim Niemeyer: No, I donít think so.

 

Don Williams: I think that the study that was done was to run a ditch directly into the Ohio, if I remember.

 

Jim Niemeyer: There was a specific study made on the Williams Ditch, done by Henry Nourdars and he madeÖÖ.I just read the summary of it, didnít read any of the details, but basically it involves cleaning and widening and straightening and adding additional inlets or outlets along Howard-Williams that would take you all the way up to Weinsheimer Ditch there west of Chandler. And like you say, it will carry it all around, it will go from Weinsheimer then to Little Pigeon Creek which runs up into Gibson County and then back down into Vanderburgh County, so itís really a large stretch of drainage thatís involved.

 

Don Williams: Your talking about Pigeon Creek, right?

 

Carl Conner: Well, my understanding from that study, the cost was prohibitive.

 

Sean Owen: 4.8 million dollars.

 

Carl Conner: I didnít know how much it was, but I remember it was costly.

 

Jim Niemeyer: We would really need to go after a grant there and it might become easy to get now, with the storms in Louisiana.

 

Cheryl: I know there have been small portions of it cleaned.

 

Sean Owen: We have currently gotÖweíre preparing bid specifications to clean out the entire length of it including Lockwood Ditch, all the way from the Vanderburgh-Warrick County line, all the way along the railroad tracks along highway 62 all the way to Weinsheimer Creek.

 

Don Williams:We had a lot of complaints with this last rain with the majority of them coming from that area, Colonial Hills.

 

Sean Owen: We actually walked the entire length of the Howard-Williams Ditch from the beginning of it over by Colonial Hills all the way down to where it dumps into Weinsheimer Creek and we believe that is our most problem point, is right there along highway 62 on the other side of the railroad tracks, so weíre working on that right now.

 

Don Williams: Are you going to get some costs together for us?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Yes, when we get it ready, we plan to put it out for bid.

 

Carl Conner: Okay, all right does anybody else have any comments?

 

Don Williams:No, I guess I want to be clear, in other words, your askingÖÖ.Crossroads is asking for no additional drainage improvements, right?

 

Jim Farny: Basically, what they are saying isÖÖÖ.

 

Don Williams: Cause this is setting here and it helps if I get something like this 2-3 weeks ahead of time, I canít read this in such short time, to be more intelligent, I would almost have to read through that, I guessÖÖ but if the church has concerns and the church is getting wet but not becauseÖ.itís because you said they were built like in a bowl.

 

Jim Farny:Correct, the sanctuary end of the building which is the west end of the building is literally a bowl.

 

Carl Conner: I would have some concerns about it if they were not going to be the owner, but they are the owner and if they have issues as a result of their decisions, then they have responsibility for them. Now, if it was a developer going in there then it would be a totally different story.

 

Don Williams: I agree, you know it better than I do, why donít you make the motion andÖ.

 

Carl Conner: Well, I would move that we go ahead and accept the drainage plan for Crossroads Christian Church as presented and like I said, theyíre the owners and they are going to stay the owners, so if they have any problems then they can deal with it.

 

Don Williams: Iíll second that motion.

 

Carl Conner: Have the second on the floor, all in favor state by saying aye.

 

Don Williams: Aye

 

Carl Conner: Aye, passes two to zero. Thank you very much, have a nice day. Do we have any other business?

 

LITTLE PIGEON CREEK:

 

Jim Niemeyer: We just have some projects, Iíd just like to update you a little bit.

 

Carl Conner: Okay, go right ahead.

 

Jim Niemeyer: One of these is the Howard-Williams Ditch, which we just discussed and we have completed Little Pigeon Creek removal and we went both sides of the ridge, so we covered a period of about 2 miles.

 

Don Williams: How many logjams were actually removed?

 

Jim Niemeyer: 10 or 11 and Henry spent two days in there at his own expense and he said I did well enough and he did, he went back out there at his own expense and finished cleaning, actually took care of the trees that were leaning, his excavator has a large sheer that can cut up to an 18-inch tree. So, those that were laying over, he took out. We went up on the North side of the creek and we found several more, so thatís why I asked for money to do that and he did that for $2,500.00 so we got a whole large stretch that was cleared up.

 

Carl Conner: Heís been pretty good to work with, hasnít he, really?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Oh, yes, heís just like a real artist when it comes to this ditch work.

 

 

 

 

HOWARD-WILLIAMS DITCH:

 

Jim Niemeyer: The other thing that I wanted to mention is that tomorrow morning, weíre going to meet with Mr. Mike Fisher at Colonial Hills just to survey the situation, cause weíve had so many complaints about flooding and high water and so weíll take a cursory look at it and see what kind of impoundments are created. But, he did say that some of the drainage areas or swales, he said the water has to run uphill, so that wonít work too well, but weíll look at it and make a report at the next Drainage Board Meeting.

 

ALLEN DITCH:

 

Jim Niemeyer: The other thing I wanted to mention, last week we received a call and went out to Allenís Ditch, which runs north and south along the east side of Mulzer Stone, if you went to the area, you would go to Culvert, the intersection of Culvert Ave. and Ellerbusch Road, or they are building a new bank out there and thereís a gas station. Anyway, Allenís Ditch runs north-south, Sean has included photoís of it. This erosion is really very recent, within the last 2-3 years and this last big rain we had really took a bite out of it and itís eroding very rapidly down to grade at the Ohio River, which is a natural thing but, we feel that this erosion is really going to get bad down there.

 

Don Williams: Do you think it needs to be done in riprap?

 

Jim Niemeyer: What we did, I talked to Mr. Nodarse to come out and also talked to another contractor and the basic idea is to have broken concrete, you know thatís been removed from projects where they are reconstructing, we could probably put a couple hundred loads in there and I assume that that would be tri-axle loads.

 

Don Williams: A couple hundred?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Itís a hole, it doesnít look that way, but itís pretty steep and then plus on the west side of it thereís a pipeline.

 

Don Williams: Most of these (photographs) are that hole, just different angles of that hole?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Yes

 

Don Williams:I guess my question, since it looks like you got it from about every angle, how hard would it be to get trucks back in there to put something in?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Not hard at all, what we would need to do is, if you look at this picture right here in the lower tier there, you see a retaining wall, you go above that and if we create a ramp with a berm, you could back trucks up to it and dump it. And, then periodically have an excavator in there to level it out and move it over to where it needs to be. Also, part of the project would be to straighten that ditch.

 

Sean Owen: One of the main reasons for the erosion, thereís a curve right there and weíve talked about straightening it, but right now itís going to take a lot to fill it up just to get it to the point of where we can.

 

Don Williams: Weíve got some dirt and concrete there at the salt barn, there at District 1.

 

Jim Niemeyer: It would take all of it.

 

Don Williams: There is some more there at that pit weíre filling in now. I canít remember how much more of that pit we got to fill in, you know, there off of Anderson and Oak Grove.

 

Carl Conner: About 25%.

 

Don Williams: Well, itís not that much anymore, I think itís more like 10-15%, thereís not that much left.

 

Jim Niemeyer: But, we need to review all of the rules and regs concerning permitting in there as outlined in Mr. Nodarse letter to me, also I called upon Steve Sherwood, as well, for his opinion and advice and I sent him a copy of that fax.

 

Carl Conner: Well, I guess, my opinion is, we need to kind of get together what our cost and everything, get input from Steve and then bring it back, I think itís great that youíve made us aware of this situation. I want to go out and take a look at that, is that behind Mulzerís?

 

Sean Owen: Itís actually on Mulzerís property, but they donít have any access to it.

 

Jim Niemeyer: Do you know where the old scale house is? If you drive right in their entry, thereís an old scale house, theyíre not even using it any longer.

 

Carl Conner: Drive into Mulzerís yard?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Yeah, drive up to that scale house and walk down the hill and thereís a small berm, Iíd say 8-foot high, but be very careful cause itís all gravel and itís very treacherous to walk on.

 

Carl Conner: So, your at the intersection at 662 and Ellerbusch?

 

Sean Owen: Or you could go and access it from Williams Lane, at the very end of Williams Lane is the property thatÖ.itís actually going to become a safety issue.

 

Jim Niemeyer: Itís a gravel road, but if you drive down there stay at the rivers edge and go around cause Mrs. Williams would prefer we didnít go right through it cause she doesnít want it all cut up.

 

Carl Conner: I understand, but, I really want to go down there and take a look at that.

 

Jim Niemeyer: Itsí really quite a ÖÖ.

 

Carl Conner: You donít think that has anything to do or is a result of anything that Mulzerís have been doing?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Iíll tell you what is happening, Chandler Waterworks is dumping excess water from their treatment plant.

 

Carl Conner: There on the curve?

 

Jim Niemeyer: West of Mulzer Stone and that water is running in there all the time, they are dumping 24-hours a day, because their facility will only handle so much water and what it canít handle to process, it overflows. Itís pure water, their not polluting anything but itís quite a stream of water that goes in there and then we had that big storm. Now, hereís another reason, hereís another thing to think about, retention versus non-retention,

the subdivision that Mr. Miller talked about off of Ellerbusch.

 

Carl Conner: Off of Ellerbusch?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Yes, itís right north of that gas station.

 

Carl Conner: Oh, I know where your talking about, Windsor.

 

WINDSOR POINTE: RETENTION VERSUS NON-RETENTION

 

Jim Niemeyer: Windsor Point, anyway thereís no retention there and you know when you have a big heavy rain there has got to be a torrent of water go down there.

 

Carl Conner: Well, have you looked at those huge ditches along Ellerbusch Road?

 

Sean Owen: Thatís Allen Ditch.

 

Jim Niemeyer: Thatís Allen Ditch, and boy, I mean it comes shooting right down there and there the water drops about as you can see here, it drops about 5 or 6-feet straight down like thereís a fault that runs through there.

 

Carl Conner: Iím surprised that someone hasnít been killed there yet.

 

Jim Niemeyer: I told them, if I was you, Iíd put a barrier around there or a fence, cause some little kids could get in there and drown, youíd never know. Itís on Mulzerís property.

 

Don Williams: Itís a legal drain though.

 

Carl Conner: Have you been out there?

 

Don Williams: I know where itís at, but Iíve just seen pictures.

 

Carl Conner: It is a real safety hazard.

 

Jim Niemeyer:You see this here, itís undercut, you get on the edge of that and your down in it.

 

Sean Owen: Itís at lease 10-foot deep and then itís got like a 4 or 5-foot undercut, that just kind of comes straight down.

 

Don Williams: Let us know what you find out.

 

Carl Conner: Okay, Jim?

 

PURCHASE OF COMPUTERS:

 

Jim Niemeyer: The next thing is our favorite discussion and that is computers, Iím going to turn that over to Sean. Weíve provided a memo for you to look at.

 

Sean Owen: Basically, kind of what weíve got is just a couple of days ago I was contacted by Dallas Scott from EMA and he was looking for the GIS Director of Warrick County which we do not have one, so I guess it all kind of fell into my hands, since we pretty much take care of the photography for think map, so weíve got that going on, itís a good thing that we just got the new server because our old server would not be able to handle it. But, I am going to be the recipient of that photography and everything and as we went through it, this photography is going to be significantly larger then the photography weíve got now. Itís going to be color photography and at a lot higher resolution, so the size of each tile is going to be significantly larger. Itís a possibility that our server might actually be the think map server for Warrick County and everyone draw off of it for the photography, but in order for our office to use some of this stuff, our computers, just two of them. Weíve recently upgraded three of our computers, but there are two that we have been having problems with, but after this photography came up we feel that it will kind of a necessity.

The public computer that is on the front desk which we use for all of our customers and citizens that come in as far as getting aerials printed up and researching legal drains and stuff like that and also Cherylís computer, both have been the last on the list of upgrades that we need to do in the office. But, just currently in order for them to receive the photography we donít believe their networking cards or the speed of the processor and the memory that these computers have are significant or meet the requirements to transfer this photography back and forth. So, I had talked to Erik Frazier and he set up this computer system for me to kind of see what we would need to get in order for it to be significant to transfer this stuff back and forth. These computers are not quite as beefy as what we ordered the last time for the technicianís computers and the Surveyorís computers, but we believe they are good systems and they are going to be able to handle this quite well. We also need to purchase some of the software for it which would be the Office Professional 2003 and the total cost for all is going to be just under $4,000.00. If we were going to upgrade these computers as far as the networking cards go and the new office software, the new windows software and for the office software itís going to run us at lease $1,600.00 or $1,700.00 dollars, so we feel that itís in our best interest to go ahead and get the upgraded computers, so weíre actually bringing it up to where it needs to be instead of just a temporary fix for it. We wanted to see if there was a possibility to get these computers paid for through Cumulative Drain as we did with the server.

 

Carl Conner: I have one question, Jim, if we approve this upgrade, will this then be the finalÖ..

 

Jim Niemeyer: Thatís it.

 

Carl Conner: So then, weíll be in good shape from a hardware/software standpoint?

 

Jim Niemeyer: For at least 3 to 4 years.

 

Carl Conner: For 3 to 4 years.

 

Don Williams:I guess my thought was, nobody else in the County could access that either.

 

Jim Niemeyer:Well, with this package, with the new server we got 20 new licenses.

 

Don Williams: I understand that, Iím just saying Iím not sure any other computer, if your saying the computers youíve got arenít good enough to access it, then probably nobody elseís in the County are either.

 

Sean Owen: No, the majority of the ones Iíve seen are pretty well as far as their networking capability, itís just that the computers that weíve got as far as Cherylís computer and the front computer, they are quite out dated, they are really old and slow. The rest of our computers have all been upgraded and work real good, but weíve been having a lot of problems with the front computer locking up and not being able to print the aerial photography.

 

Carl Conner: How old is yours, Cheryl?

 

Cheryl Embry: Itís four, no going on five years.

 

Carl Conner: Itís outdated (laughter)

 

Sean Owen: The front one is probably about the same isnít it?Ē

 

Cheryl Embry: Yes

 

Carl Conner: And the response time and recovery time is probably like molasses running.

 

Jim Niemeyer: It is and another thing toÖÖ.

Don Williams: Who paid for the other three computers? How were they funded?

 

Jim Niemeyer: We took thatÖÖÖwe had differentÖ..

 

Don Williams: The server and the new computers, they all came out of Cumulative Drain, didnít they?

 

Sean Owen: The server did but the computers came out of a different fund.

 

Carl Conner: How much you got in there, about six figures donít you, in Cumulative Drain?

 

Cheryl Embry: Right now I think there is around $170,000.00 for the rest of this year.

 

Carl Conner: I personally donít have any problem with it.

 

Jim Niemeyer: Well, weíve got a total of, what is it $700,000.00 in there.

 

Don Williams: You have my consensus also, Jim, if it needs to be upgraded.

 

Carl Conner: So, we need a motion? You want to make a motion? Or I can make a motion.

 

Don Williams: My only thought was that, you know I would be concerned if all your hardware was bought out of Cumulative Drain, I think we can justify a couple of systems, Cherylís certainly cause she basically works for this Board located down in your office. I donít think our attorney would have any problem with that?

 

David Zengler: I would agree with Don, I think if you bought the other ones out ofÖÖI think you can buy withÖ.yeah.

 

Don Williams: You think we need a motion or a consensus?

 

David Zengler: Probably a motion.

 

Don Williams: All right, I move that we approve Jimís request, Iíll keep it simple.

 

Carl Conner: Okay, Iíll second, Donís motion to spend $3,793.44 in computer upgrades in the County Surveyorís Office, all in favor state by say aye.

 

Don Williams: Aye

 

Carl Conner: Aye, motion passes two to zero. Anything else, Jim?

 

Jim Niemeyer: Claims.

 

Carl Conner: Oh, do we have claims, I didnít know that we had any claims.

 

 

 

 

CLAIMS:

 

Carl Conner: Don, do you have anything?

 

Don Williams: I have nothing, I move that we do pay the claims in the amount of $26,574.12 though.

 

Carl Conner: I will second that, all in favor state by saying Aye.

 

Don Williams: Aye

 

Carl Conner: Aye, passes two to zero. Dave, did you have anything?

 

HOWARD-WILLIAMS DITCH:

 

David Zengler: Once again concerning Howard-Williams Ditch, I did respond to the two letters that the County had received, one from the Ivy Glen Homeowners Association and one from their law firm. I can give you copies, I donít know if you really want to look at them, itís just a simple letter, thatÖÖ.

 

Don Williams: Until they file a suit or something I think we are fine.

 

David Zengler: But, I did respond. I did hear from the Ivy Glen people and they may attend a meeting, they were asking if they were open meetings and I said yes.

 

Don Williams: A Drainage Board Meeting?

 

David Zengler: Yes, a Drainage Board Meeting.

 

Carl Conner: Thatís fine, thatís why weíre here, to serve the public.

 

Don Williams: Well, we had two people last meeting from out there.

 

David Zengler: In fact I put the Drainage Board times and when the meetings were in my letter.

 

Don Williams: And there is a, I donít know if this is the property forum to say it in, maybe I shouldnít even make this statement, but, the MS4 and having to form a Storm-water Management District, and you know if we make that county wide, then there will be some funds there to take care of some of those kind of concerns.

 

Carl Conner: Jim and I was talking about earlier today, about the charging mechanism that we have possibly at our disposal to cover the cost of these mandates in that area.

 

Don Williams: I have nothing else, Mr. President.

 

WARRICK COUNTY MAPS:

 

Jim Niemeyer: I have one more question. This is not new this is old, but we had requests from maps of all the subdivisions in the County and these have been totally upgraded, indexedÖ..these are old ones, but I just wanted to give you an idea.

 

Carl Conner: Wonderful

 

Don Williams: Are we getting new ones, orÖÖ. I donít think I even have a copy of the old one, so Iím thrilled with getting this.

 

Carl Conner: I donít either.

 

 

Jim Niemeyer:The thing is cost again and I think Sean has a price list, for 53 sheets and there would be a binding and Iím talking about printing cost, 1 to 5 of these would be $11.20 each, 10 of them would be $8.00 each and 25 of them would be $7.00 each, 50 of them would be $6.00 each and 100 of them would be $5.00 each.

 

Don Williams: I donít know that you would need anything like that but, what you might want to do is kind of talk to the offices that have a use for this. I would think that Area Plan might like to have that probably Engineering office would like to have a certain amount of copies. I think the Commissionerís would probably need at least 4 of them, one for the administrator and 1 for each commissioner.

 

Carl Conner: I think it would be very nice.

 

Jim Niemeyer: I think it would be very easy to get rid of 50 of them, even the State Police has made a request for them, County Sheriff, Fire Department, EMS.

 

Sean Owen: The Sheriffís Department comes in every time they get a new Deputy and they want to give it to them so they can have a quick reference guide and then I got an e-mail from the State Police wanting it also.

 

Carl Conner: And I would think that the EMS would probably utilize these also. If you think you could get rid of 50, Iíd support us going ahead and ordering 50 of them.

 

Jim Niemeyer: I could make a list or justÖ..50ís not bad.

 

Don Williams: How many did you say it was for 58 bucks?

 

Jim Niemeyer: They would be $6.00 so the total would be $300.00.

 

Don Williams: Oh, $6.00.

 

Carl Conner: Why donít you go ahead and do it.

 

Don Williams: Yeah, I agree.

 

Carl Conner: Dave, did you have anything else?

 

David Zengler: No, just my response to the letters.

 

Carl Conner: Do I have a motion to adjourn?

 

Don Williams: So moved.

 

Carl Conner: A motion is on the floor to adjourn, do I have a second? Second, all in favor state by saying aye.

 

Don Williams: Aye

 

Carl Conner: Aye, passes two to zero. Meeting is adjourned.